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  • grupak
    02-13 02:50 PM
    Grupak, I am not suggesting any single country is monopolizing the foreign worker pool. Employment laws in the US are fairly non-discriminatory except the diversity in workplace or "Affarmative Action" component which prefers a minority when two candidates possess the same skills.

    My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.

    WD's comment was in the context of removing country cap.

    I know we all say things in jest. However, the only solution is (1) increase visa numbers and (2) remove/significantly increase country cap. Otherwise the problem still remains, and IV will continue to fight for a fix.





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  • GCKaMaara
    04-16 10:06 AM
    OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?

    Sanju has a sarcastic way of telling anything. Just ignore.





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  • vdlrao
    07-24 09:12 PM
    EB2 India will move very fast till 01 JAN 06 as because based on June 2007 bulletin, just before the july fiasco,( http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html ) the PD for China is 01 JAN 06. That means in EB2 Category except India and China every other country is current. So till India reaches 01 JAN 06 PD in EB2, all the spill overs will be moved to only EB2 India(based on the priority of oldest priority date). By the time India EB2 reaches 01 JAN 06, China PD in EB2 will move further from 01 JAN 06 by using its 7% quota. So Inidia PD for EB2 again moves fast till that changed China PD using the spill overs. After that India and China will share the spill overs based on the PD priority. All this happens if and only if the USCIS works effectively and uses all the available visa numbers for the present fiscal year. My prediction for EB2 India PD is, it touches 2005 /even cross few months in 2005 by the end of this year if USCIS works effectively.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4285&highlight=vdlrao&page=99

    See the post that I have posted about EB2 India movement on 06-09-2008.





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  • gdilla
    07-13 12:41 PM
    This is the most ridiculous article I've ever seen.
    "I should have done my own homework before I applied" - no $hit. What makes you think going to med school in Indian means jack in Canada or the US. You have to get board certified. Duh. And I'm afraid cold calling doesn't work anywhere, including the US... does this work in India? Of course they're not going to listen to you. Jeez. People not doing their due diligence before THEY PACK UP AND MOVE HALF WAY ROUND the world... yeah, that proves to me you are smart enough to hire.

    [QUOTE=sankap]Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:

    http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=international1&fodname=19990125&sid=1

    Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
    Outlook: Jan 25, 1999

    It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...

    SOHAILA CHARNALIA

    "I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.

    Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.

    Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.

    Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".

    Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
    Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.

    "You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.

    That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.

    But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".

    Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.

    "What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
    While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.

    The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.

    Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.

    'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.

    Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.

    "All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
    But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.



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  • HereIComeGC
    02-15 12:46 PM
    Oh and by the way, if people sue and WIN lawsuits for "COFFEE BEING TOO HOT" or the one "McDonalds made me fat" This one has much more credibility

    "CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about"

    Freedom without violence?? Man on the Moon?

    Sounds familiar?

    You would have said few months back "GC without FBI Namechecks? You have no idea what you are talking about"

    You can't win if you don't even try. Simple as that. At the minimum, lawsuit will highlight all the issues in the broken process and get some serious media action.





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  • nfinity
    07-03 05:16 PM
    Ramus,

    used the web link on the senator's website. No subject line was available. Is there an email address I can use? I am going to take an hour today and send emails to reporters.



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  • weasley
    01-17 09:49 AM
    Agree wth you.


    Nearly all laws/regulations originate from such garbage.

    Hira/Matloff's US born donkeys scavange these blogs 24/7. The garbage is then processed by Hira/Matloff.

    It is very unfortunate that USICS/lawmakers (other than Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders) pander to these scumbags. Such laws/regulations will not provide any relief to these donkeys.





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  • grupak
    02-13 01:34 PM
    Finally you hit the nail on its head. That’s why the per country limit is there so no one country with larger population can monopolize any agenda the way you are trying to do with IV.

    I don't understand this logic. We are talking about employment based GC.

    Lets be clear that we are talking about people who are employed in the US and their employers have sponsored their green cards (except the EB2-NIW, EB1_EA). These people are employed because of their skill at jobs not their national origin.

    Are you suggesting that somehow people of some countries have monopolized the foreign worker pool by born in the same country and NOT because of their skill.

    Since we are talking about a privilege and benefit that comes from being employed in the US, you are actually suggesting that US employers should consider country of birth and not just skill in the employment.

    Tell me how did the Chinese, Indian, Mexican and Filipino workers unfairly monopolized the foreign worker pool. As far as I am aware, these countries have large populations and a lot of Science and Engineering graduates happen to be from these countries.

    The country cap makes sense in family based immigration system when extended beyond the immediate family members. IV is not for FB GC issues.

    Again, employment in the US is based on skill not country of birth. The foreign workers are here because they are needed, and US will benefit by keeping these skilled workers long term. What IV is doing benefits all employment based GC.



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  • ita
    04-20 10:50 PM
    Sonia has this immense lust for money and power.Though I'm least interested in her antics during Indira Gandhi regime and Rajiv Gandhi regime I'll add few lines.

    Apparently precious antiques were moved from chennai to Italy.Near Orbassano where her mother lives there are two antique shops called Ethnica in Revlota and Ganpathi.These are blue collar areas.Her birth certificate says she was born in Turin but she told parliament that she was born in Orbassano.

    Media says that she is from middle class family.But apparently there were few journalists who went to her town in Italy and apparently she comes from very poor family in Italy.

    Middle class or poor family a person working as an aupair girl went to same restaurant as to the one to which elite folks like grandson and son of a coutnry's PM would go is interesting.Kind of unimaginable even in these days of reduced economic disparities as rich folks have their own hanging out spots.
    There was something about Opus Dei,KGB thing mentioned in connection with Sonia in some articles.

    Disclaimer
    I found this on Internet but don't know what is the truth.For all I know she could be very nice person that could have happened to India in specific and earth in general.

    That said in 1984 Rajiv apparently was reluctant to get into PM post.Pranab Mukherjee who is rightly called as living encyclopedia by many was very ambitious to become PM.P V Narasimha Rao who was kind of Indira's right hand man was not expressive about his ambitions.Sonia convinced Rajiv to accept PM job and Pranab was sidelined as every one knew about his ambition which led to his leaving Congress though he rejoined later.Rajiv who was neither interested in politics nor was astute mismanaged things much to the embarrassment of this aides.In some cases his own aides let out secrets about his scams.

    In 1992 Sonia opted for PVN thinking he would take orders from her.After he got into the job he refused to take orders from 10,Janpath.That's the famous rift between Sonia and PV.

    After PV's 5 year term she had Sitram Kesari be the Congress president which didn't work out .She stepped into the party.Apparently once upon a time Congress party like BJP or any other political party had a constitution where the president and state CM were to be elected by party members.After Sonia got into party president role she had the constitution changed, so for ages to come Congress party's reins will be in the hands of Nehru-Gandhi family members.They and not party members will elect all the chief candidates of the party who will have to take orders from them.

    All the nonsense that media writes and her biography says about she going into privacy shell for eight years after 1992 is just fairytalish makeup to her story.





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  • amar123
    07-03 11:18 PM
    http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal (http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal)


    Guys, we are all computer friendly unlike our previous generation,lets use the internet to the fullest.

    Please dig the link so ppl understand the scenario and making the news sensational but true helps!! Please add your comments to the blog ,hopefully, comments not 2 frustrated or impolite. Remember we claim to be legal immigrants,lets show some refinement and class :)



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  • hpandey
    05-01 04:38 PM
    Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.

    Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?

    I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.

    Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country

    My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.

    The Pak Sikhs are being troubled by the Taliban whom everyone opposes and the Pak govt is doing nothing and hence India should raise a voice.

    The Tamils in SriLanka are not being opressed by SriLanka but by LTTE themselves ( using their own people as human shields ) . The Srilankan govt is trying its best to minimise losses while trying to rout the terrorist LTTE. India does not have any sympathy either for the Taliban or for LTTE. Both are enemies of India.

    Personally I hate the LTTE and their damn cause. Someone who would kill our PM does not deserve any sympathy.

    I cheer the brave SriLankan Army who will finally clear their country of this terrorist manace. I wish India had the same drive to remove terrorists from our country in J&K and elsewhere .





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  • tikka
    07-03 11:02 PM
    Immigration lawyers raised unusually irate protests yesterday after the State Department and the immigration service abruptly withdrew tens of thousands of job-based visas they had offered last month to foreign professionals hoping to become permanent residents in the United States.

    The outcry was provoked by a terse announcement on Monday in which the State Department said it would not grant any more visas for the 2007 fiscal year to foreigners applying to become permanent residents based on their job skills. That notice reversed one the department had issued on June 13 announcing a two-month window starting July 2 for aspiring, high-skilled immigrants from around the world to present applications for visas known as green cards.

    The State Department said the 60,000 visas it had expected to offer would no longer be available because of �sudden backlog reduction efforts� by Citizenship and Immigration Services, the federal agency that processes applications for the visas offered by the department.

    In a statement yesterday, the American Immigration Lawyers Association accused the two agencies of perpetrating a �hoax� and a �bait and switch� against hopeful legal immigrants who played by the book.

    �Here people followed the rules and did everything right, yet without warning or explanation the door was slammed in their faces,� said Kathleen Campbell Walker, the president of the association.

    To apply, immigrants must undergo medical examinations and assemble documents to prove their job skills and show that a United States employer has sponsored them. Foreigners must be in the United States when they present their applications, which are processed on a first-come, first-served basis.

    Because of backlogs for employment-based visas, foreigners have had to wait many years just to be allowed to file their applications.

    Thousands of medical and technology professionals, including many working here on temporary visas, scrambled for weeks to get their documents together, in some cases canceling travel plans, in order to file their applications on Monday, the first day of the window. The State Department and the immigration agency closed the window without accepting a single application.

    �I am concerned that such action may violate the law and could threaten the integrity of our immigration system,� Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California who is chairwoman of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, wrote in letters yesterday to Michael Chertoff, the secretary of homeland security, and Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state. Ms. Lofgren warned that the federal government could face costly litigation because of its change of course.

    The State Department said it would begin accepting applications on Oct. 1 for 2008 visas. On July 30, the immigration agency will raise its processing fees by an average of 66 percent.



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  • kommisetty
    09-24 05:13 PM
    Greate Idea and fully support it even thought i may or may not buy a house for GC. Atlease the wating line will be reduced if it works out.

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  • John333
    07-18 07:00 AM
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  • bajrangbali
    06-05 01:10 AM
    That's a much better suggestion than playing carrot-and-stick on real-estate bargains Mr. Hiralal.

    Now, what would really be effective is for our own people that are already naturalized and integrated and assimilated and digested in the US system to stand up for our cause.

    Please, do this for us seniors. As citizens and permanent residents, your voice will be effectively heard. Case in point - legislation on re-uniting families. To begin with, family based has nearly 60% more visas than employment based and nearly 80% of the visas available are exempt from per-country limits. And yet, the politicians want to reform family based immigration process because the people at the receiving end are their citizens. There is nothing wrong with it because the wait-time for extended family members are really long too which is a shame. But you see, there are bills that are actively discussed and passed in that category i.e fundamental solutions are being explored.

    Why is Mr. Bobby Jindal and likes of him not taking up our cause actively? People use their "humble-background" in campaign times. Why do they fail in holding out a helping hand to people that are stuck in such "humble-background"? Do you see such apathy in other minority communities?

    Thanks.

    Some interesting points you bring up here.
    Forget those who got citizenship, even those who got GC turn a blind eye to the immigration issues and people still in line.
    I can bet most of the GC and USC guys/gals would want us to just leave and stay away from USA :D
    Tough luck pal..this is a dog eat dog world..and especially so with our guys/gals who are brought up in the rat race culture right from childhood...
    "Live and let live" - yet to meet someone who really follows that...

    I a will be happy if GC and USC guys/gals dont step up and start demanding no more visas and Indians in this country...i bet some are already supporting numbersusa and such groups...i know a lot of ppl who hates seeing a fellow desi at work/park/vacation/shopping..

    Bobby Jindal :D well..wat can i say...the guy changed his name and doesnt want to be identified with his ethnic background...he will be the last person fighting for our cause..

    Life is hard as it is...people here are on a common cause and helping each other..some need a channel to vent their frustation, some need a suggestion, some are paranoid, some are vigilantes, some are good samaritans... give them a GC or USC and wait for a while and see if they still support the cause...

    Help each other and we can all prosper...guess it may remain a dream afterall

    I guess most people are not happy with what they already have...just think about the toughest days in your lives and pat on ur back how you managed to fight through it...we all have our own good and bad times...

    Aspiring for better future is what drives everyone...but it should not be at the expense of taking a look at what we all have now..and appreciate it...

    We can race ahead..GC..USC..car..better car...house..second house...$$$...list never ends..i hope all of us can put their hand on heart admit that we were much happy and peaceful even when we did not have any of the above...

    This post is not a rant or pointing fingers...just a retrospection
    Life is beautiful...best things in life are free...
    ..just a post with a different point of view...best wishes to all!!!





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  • _TrueFacts
    09-03 08:21 PM
    Comparing Ted Kennedy and YSR..not a sane mind would do.

    Amassing money in the name of fictitious projects is dynamic?
    Relentless swindling of money by the parties, leaders, ministers and bureaucrats is dynamic?
    Mobilizing and supplying huge money to prove your royalty to party in Delhi is dynamism?

    If that is the case then Manmohan Singh, Abdul Kalam what are they…they had every chance and more why don’t we speak about them the same way. Show me one personal allegation on Manmohan or Abdul Kalam.

    Yes, it is dynamism to stay in power and to mint money and for people like you…not for administration.

    Any one speaking against, has to deal with personal abuse, that’s even with opposition MLA’s. What happened to democracy?

    Since 60 years Congress has ruined India and people like Sonia and YSR are few examples of corrupt politics and YSR is openly involved. YSR is no different to a dictator.

    Corruption rampant in AP under YSR's regime (http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=145882)
    Mutiny.in � YSR’s new low (http://mutiny.in/2007/07/23/a-new-low-from-the-andhra-cm/)
    The Hindu : Andhra Pradesh News : YSR a champion of corruption: Chiru (http://www.thehindu.com/2009/01/23/stories/2009012360510800.htm)
    YSR the most corrupt politician - Telugu Movies - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/TELUGU+MOVIES/articles/14097/YSR+most+corrupt+politician)
    Naidu to approach Centre on YSR’s ‘Satyam route of corruption’ (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naidu-to-approach-centre-on-ysrs-satyam-ro/425227/)

    One can write a book on YSR’s corruption. AP has become worse than Bihar.



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  • h1techSlave
    09-23 03:32 PM
    No matter what the incremental benefit is, I think its blatantly unfair (like it was blatantly unfair to push some people to labor backlog centers and approving people with later PDs first) to change the rules of engagement and prioritization midway through the process and give preference to someone based on an ability to invest certain $$s in an house.......buying a house is a commercial and lifestyle decision........should not be a precursor to a USCIS adjudication.......


    Actually you are right that such a proposal is not fair. But putting country quota is also not fair, when we are talking about EB GCs. And like you said, BECs were also not fair. So the whole EB thingie is pretty badly messed up. We are suggesting the Congress a way (an unfair way) to get out of this mess.





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  • chanduv23
    08-16 12:03 AM
    I just read through this thread and made some interesting observations.

    We all have our own opinions and I am bringing all this into context by considering the fact that most people on this thread are people of Indian origin.

    So here is my opinion too.

    Looks like there is a process followed by the security officials that flags people based on certain factors.

    Now, we can talk for hours and discuss and debate - but we really don't know how such a system is working. It might be working great in the POV of some people who claim that it helps with filtering out the terrorists.

    If it is a frequest occurance and is affecting everyone - then there is definitely issues with such a system - but do we hear such stories regularly? We don't. We hear stories of Abdul Kalam or Shilpa Shetty or Sharukh Khan because they are celebrities.

    It might be happening quite often and we never know.

    It looks like a lot of "discretionary" power lies in the hands of these officers and at times they may just not listen or heed to anyone.

    In my opinion a "discretionary" power is something that needs to be associated with good judgement. Rules and systems are in place to "help with things in a good way" and need not be the other way.

    If someone feels bad about something - it is not their fault as one cannot control one's feelings. This is exactly what President Obama explained at the "beer summit"

    In the modern world the definition of racism has changed. There is nothing called racism or discrimination which relate to their original meanings. For eg.. Indian students in Australia not necessarily be attacked by a particulal race - most time they are attacked by a mob of different kinds of people.

    In reality "all of us are living in today's world where there are issues - some are vocal about it, some deny it, some supportit and some oppose it.

    Lets think like a cynic - cynical people are good thinkers because all those cynics out there have become so due to series of different experiences the eventually changes the way they think.





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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 10:57 AM
    Mr. or Mrs, so called "TrueFacts", you must be ashamed of your own thoughts. On seeing this thread, you created a fake account and became a keyboard warrior. Why? What is your other avatar? Are you suffering from multiple personality syndrome?
    ....

    RajSenthil,

    Picking on me will not change the fact that YSR was a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people. If you have a point against that, say so.

    I am providing links to that reason.

    Why any one (pseudo or not) should have sympathy for the dead? Do you have sympathy for Saddam, Hitler? Facts are facts. YSR�s death has contributed to this discussion. It does not matter what my ID is, where I am and if I am Mr or Mrs.





    dilipcr
    06-16 03:41 PM
    Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.

    Dilip -

    Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?


    I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.

    For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.

    You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.

    Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.

    I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.

    In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
    Have a good day!




    Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

    As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

    I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
    What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.


    I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.

    I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.

    Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.

    That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.

    .





    gopinathan
    07-28 10:28 AM
    I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average yearly income is only $115/year :)

    you people are fighting for two totally different reasons

    (1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.

    (2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).

    how do you advertise your product/site ?????

    when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.

    this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.

    most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??

    to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p

    to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)

    all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.

    again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.



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